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Thursday, July 23, 2009

a day in a life 2009.07.23

via @fractalnavel: in the last 24 hours:
  • 2009.07.23 13:41: olpc xo: always happy to see counterpoint from this direction: http://bit.ly/27hKr9
  • 2009.07.23 13:50: @craigg75
    the anti-EULA, cool -- http://smallprint.netzoo.net/reag/
    cool - but the problem is that many consumers are just as big jerks as the corporations. it escalated into insanity from there.
  • 2009.07.23 14:34: @craigg75
    ha! & nbsp; shows up as a space here
    use an escaped ampersand first:  
  • 2009.07.23 14:34: @craigg75
    @klaatu has vaccinophobia
    doesn't penicillin clear that up ?
  • 2009.07.23 14:35: @craigg75
    ha! & nbsp; shows up as a space here
    or, to illustrate:  
  • 2009.07.23 14:37: sometimes i have this urge to make fun of people's online names - then i notice my own.
  • 2009.07.23 14:47: gae never seems to return 304's...
  • 2009.07.23 15:39: @klaatu
    Love is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own. - Robert Heinlein
    i think that's called "co-dependence" now.
  • 2009.07.23 16:18: hmm - nosql from the far side: http://bit.ly/Jsdjr
  • 2009.07.23 16:20: @klaatu @craigg75 but don't we sometimes talk about the need to "cull the herd" ? perhaps we should see this as an opportunity.
  • 2009.07.23 16:45: interesting: "10 Rules That Govern Groups" http://u.nu/3yum (via @klaatu) flaws in some of these, but need to follow this field wrt web2.0
  • 2009.07.23 16:48: i vaguely remember reading an article about online group behavior in recent months. all pretty basic. all pretty depressing, if you're me.
  • 2009.07.23 16:53: @craigg75
    ann arbor news is the latest to go down -- http://bit.ly/1sbEJ
    and yet magazines still proliferate. what gives ?
  • 2009.07.23 17:00: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel offer nothing unique that can't be pulled off an AP feed, magazines offer more
    so the mistake was the papers making too deep cuts in the wrong places: reporters ? (as in, unique stories)
  • 2009.07.23 17:05: @klaatu
    .@fractalnavel of course it was a "Cull The Herd" event. Kissinger coin da phrase "Useless Eaters" in '74. Prblm is who defines useless?
    the nebulous "powers that be". does it matter? once evolved instincts are dismissed, no, not really. live, die, suffer - meh.
  • 2009.07.23 17:07: @klaatu
    Newspapers: I wonder if there was a big noise when the last clay scroll was enscribed? Oh that papyrus is killing the market!
    this time it's a change in kind, not in media. however, the papers have been zombies/shells for quite some time. scary: what's next?
  • 2009.07.23 17:09: @craigg75
    "10. Groups breed competition." usually morphs into kill the other group(s).. almost like a switch in our heads when we identify with a grp
    potential methodological error: how much is innate vs. learned?
  • 2009.07.23 17:12: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel some fear that the loss of newspaper will effect our democracy? (and no don't say we don't say we don't have a democracy)
    aww, maan ;-) death of the nth estate, right. it's not the media that's at issue, it's the profession, which seems comatose now.
  • 2009.07.23 17:13: news: do events have press passes for bloggers ? are "investigative bloggers" effective? how about publicy reliable professional standards?
  • 2009.07.23 17:14: while the "old" media may have become ineffective recently, the new media has yet - of ever - to step into the breach.
  • 2009.07.23 17:15: this will be a costly gap - hopefully not new status quuo.
  • 2009.07.23 17:15: "of ever" = "if ever" - not sure if that typo would make the translation
  • 2009.07.23 17:16: @craigg75
    ever look at pictures of young people before 1975? Where are the fatties?
    wow - no shit.
  • 2009.07.23 17:19: @klaatu
    @craigg75
    @fractalnavel "I don't care to belong to any club that will have me as a member" Groucho Marx
    @fractalnavel There really is a Groucho Marx club now in London http://www.thegrouchoclub.com/
    ".. i'm sorry - i thought this was the karl marx club..." "around the corner, sir."
  • 2009.07.23 17:19: @craigg75
    that kind of "news" is a form of mind control like religion.. pay no attention to the guy behind the curtain
    "free at last, free at last, free at last"
  • 2009.07.23 17:21: @klaatu
    .@fractalnavel My problem with the powers that be wanting to call a culling is that I can't cull them.
    but that's just a power struggle. "if i make the rules, i will survive". but every "i" makes the same argument.
  • 2009.07.23 17:23: @klaatu
    .@craigg75 Any paper with > 10k circulation isn't democratic to begin with. Just a bullhorn for the owners propaganda slant.
    interesting point. so, let's consider this scaling problem issue in the context of political parties - same results, of course.
  • 2009.07.23 17:23: @craigg75
    karl marx club.. hilarious.. monty python skit in there somewhere
    not sure which is funnier - the groucho marxer's at the karl club, or vice versa.
  • 2009.07.23 17:25: seriously, do i have to ignore this "democracy" stuff ? the damn foundation is rotted, and we're talking about what hangs on the walls.
  • 2009.07.23 17:26: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    .@fractalnavel My problem with the powers that be wanting to call a culling is that I can't cull them.
    but that's just a power struggle. "if i make the rules, i will survive". but every "i" makes the same argument.
    @klaatu would lower population be better for all concerned even if those doing the culling are evil?
    oh, cvrap - "better". damn value issue, again. but, y'know, maintaining a contemporary context for that - i think, yes. sad, eh?
  • 2009.07.23 17:27: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    .@fractalnavel My problem with the powers that be wanting to call a culling is that I can't cull them.
    but that's just a power struggle. "if i make the rules, i will survive". but every "i" makes the same argument.
    @klaatu would lower population be better for all concerned even if those doing the culling are evil?
    but - those culling wouldn't stop there, of course.
  • 2009.07.23 17:34: culling: could the survivors of a massive extermination live with their "original sin" ? guilt seems anti-evolutionary - but can't be.
  • 2009.07.23 17:38: @craigg75
    culling -- life eventually goes on as always
    if everyone was in on it together. thus, the christian "communion" rite.
  • 2009.07.23 17:40: @craigg75
    culling -- life eventually goes on as always
    so then (tempting godwin's law), was hitler unfairly demonized ? was his sin merely that he did not build prior consensus ?
  • 2009.07.23 17:41: @craigg75
    ever ponder the question -- so what if the entire human race gets wiped out? who cares? the universe? god?
    "ever" - more like "when do i not"
  • 2009.07.23 17:44: what's a better group binder-shared pride or shared guilt? or more generally,is it the more, or less,"noble" instincts that bring us closer?
  • 2009.07.23 17:46: @klaatu
    @craigg75
    ever look at pictures of young people before 1975? Where are the fatties?
    fatties: taking the pictures of course. We were all thinner B4 HFCS replaced regular sugar & everything wasn't maxed out w/MSG
    we traded health for flavor ? life for sensation ? i sense an avenue for self-culling
  • 2009.07.23 17:47: @klaatu
    @craigg75
    ever look at pictures of young people before 1975? Where are the fatties?
    My grandma cooked like you lived on a farm. Ppl used to eat big meals, two platefuls easy, so growing portion size isn't an excuse
    yeah - i have a sister who still cooks that way. works for me anyway; i lose weight. but not her kids. what gives?
  • 2009.07.23 17:49: ah - hfcs = high fructose corn syrup. hmm. wasn't that around a lot earlier ? also, think of introduction of things like crisco
  • 2009.07.23 17:51: @klaatu
    @craigg75
    ever look at pictures of young people before 1975? Where are the fatties?
    I don't think "kids were more active then" works either, we were all pretty active until the soccer mom era took over.
    as in, unstructured vs. structured activity ? in control v. chaos, control loses again. anarchy rules! (*huh?)
  • 2009.07.23 17:57: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    .@fractalnavel My problem with the powers that be wanting to call a culling is that I can't cull them.
    but that's just a power struggle. "if i make the rules, i will survive". but every "i" makes the same argument.
    power struggle: Hey, I'm keeping it simple today. I just rate the survival utility of politico's < pond scum.
    lol - works for me ;-)
  • 2009.07.23 17:59: @craigg75
    culling -- life eventually goes on as always
    "life goes on" - the non-living take offense.
  • 2009.07.23 18:04: @klaatu
    .@fractalnavel scaling: if you can't "touch" it, you can't control/work/handle it. Takes big $ clout 2 get party focus when > village size
    which in turn is only effective when individual greed comes into play
  • 2009.07.23 18:05: @klaatu
    .@fractalnavel scaling: if you can't "touch" it, you can't control/work/handle it. Takes big $ clout 2 get party focus when > village size
    so would limits on group size help mitigate the greed effect ?
  • 2009.07.23 18:12: @klaatu
    @craigg75 pop size: Think some of the speed of change in life is due to large pop numbers. If turnover reduced, breakthru's come less often.
    yes & no: the various trials need enough exposure to be tested situationally. need both short & long term for that. no easy answer
  • 2009.07.23 18:13: @klaatu
    @craigg75
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    .@fractalnavel My problem with the powers that be wanting to call a culling is that I can't cull them.
    but that's just a power struggle. "if i make the rules, i will survive". but every "i" makes the same argument.
    @klaatu would lower population be better for all concerned even if those doing the culling are evil?
    pop size: depends on size factors 2 sustain population & genetic diversity. Then its churn so we get a genius more often.
    genius is overrated. genius is underrated. genius is contextual. need "genius" to reside in the system, not the individual.
  • 2009.07.23 18:14: @klaatu
    .@craigg75 Whats the url 4 that Karl Marx Club?
    @craigg75 - are you going to tell him, or should i ? ;-)
  • 2009.07.23 18:16: @klaatu
    .@fractalnavel culling: any "original sin" will become proud history in a generation or two. Bible shows many cities/peoples killed 4 glory
    that's my thought. no survival benefit in unending contrition.
  • 2009.07.23 18:27: @klaatu
    .@fractalnavel Hitler built prior consensus but didn't win the war. If he did history (his-story) would be written differently.
    prior universal consensus. or a practical facsimile thereof.
  • 2009.07.23 18:28: @klaatu
    .@fractalnavel Besides, Hitler was mostly a pawn. Others in power were far more evil. The worst 1's even remove themselves to appear clean
    oh, sure. but using his name gives a convenient temporal location, unlike "nazi" or whatever.
  • 2009.07.23 18:29: @craigg75
    the Nazis are a good example what happens when you let thugs run things.. prisons are a good example
    classic experiment referenced in that article you read earlier: you don't have to start as a thug, you become one.
  • 2009.07.23 18:30: @craigg75
    the Nazis are a good example what happens when you let thugs run things.. prisons are a good example
    ie- it's a situational response (based on the training & genetics brought into it of course). are we cultural-genetic thugs, then?
  • 2009.07.23 18:33: @craigg75
    All - Please help me eat this 1/2 gallon of Blue Bunny chocolate ice cream before it melts.
    i guess it's a good thing that person had not just returned from the local red light district
  • 2009.07.23 18:34: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    ah - hfcs = high fructose corn syrup. hmm. wasn't that around a lot earlier ? also, think of introduction of things like crisco
    nah, 72-75 was when HFCS became cheaper than enbargo'd sugar so everybody switched. Need a few years for effects to bloom.
    ahh - i forgot about the sugar thing then - classic commodity market get rich time.
  • 2009.07.23 18:35: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel true.. in fact the nazis would rally up jew hate in the conquered territories to get the villages to give up their jews
    hmm - compare to present day
  • 2009.07.23 18:37: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    @craigg75
    ever look at pictures of young people before 1975? Where are the fatties?
    I don't think "kids were more active then" works either, we were all pretty active until the soccer mom era took over.
    as in, unstructured vs. structured activity ? in control v. chaos, control loses again. anarchy rules! (*huh?)
    as in play ball, eat 2 dinner plates, go outside & play ball again till 10pm vs sitting 4 vid games & rides to 1hr soccer crap
    yeah, there really wasn't a lot of reason to sit inside for long. even tv got old. and reading was often reserved for the evening
  • 2009.07.23 18:38: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    @craigg75
    ever look at pictures of young people before 1975? Where are the fatties?
    I don't think "kids were more active then" works either, we were all pretty active until the soccer mom era took over.
    as in, unstructured vs. structured activity ? in control v. chaos, control loses again. anarchy rules! (*huh?)
    as in play ball, eat 2 dinner plates, go outside & play ball again till 10pm vs sitting 4 vid games & rides to 1hr soccer crap
    kinda what i do at my sister's place. my old habits kicked in. her kids have the new habits.
  • 2009.07.23 18:39: @klaatu
    .@fractalnavel indv greed ties to clout that way. U will hear me b/c I can do things 4 you etc. yep, clout is a word we don't exercise enuf.
    it's the mistake i make in the workplace: assuming the wrong motivations.
  • 2009.07.23 18:40: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    .@fractalnavel Hitler built prior consensus but didn't win the war. If he did history (his-story) would be written differently.
    prior universal consensus. or a practical facsimile thereof.
    look how easy it was for the media to whip up war frenzy in 2003, too many examples of it really
    so is this a problem that needs solving ? and what would be candidate solutions ?
  • 2009.07.23 18:42: @klaatu
    .@fractalnavel So perhaps the past 100yrs has been field trials to det what pop size it takes 2 keep innovation coming at full speed.
    trading off with other effects. sure, why not. still too many value judgements involved.
  • 2009.07.23 18:42: [damn whale]
  • 2009.07.23 18:43: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel
    @craigg75
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    .@fractalnavel Hitler built prior consensus but didn't win the war. If he did history (his-story) would be written differently.
    prior universal consensus. or a practical facsimile thereof.
    look how easy it was for the media to whip up war frenzy in 2003, too many examples of it really
    so is this a problem that needs solving ? and what would be candidate solutions ?
    Rejection of the group is the solution.. but that leaves.. um you? :P
    lol !
  • 2009.07.23 18:44: @craigg75
    I always heard the metric was town pop = 10K, each town separated by 50 miles
    need to work out those numbers
  • 2009.07.23 18:45: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    @craigg75
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    .@fractalnavel My problem with the powers that be wanting to call a culling is that I can't cull them.
    but that's just a power struggle. "if i make the rules, i will survive". but every "i" makes the same argument.
    @klaatu would lower population be better for all concerned even if those doing the culling are evil?
    pop size: depends on size factors 2 sustain population & genetic diversity. Then its churn so we get a genius more often.
    genius is overrated. genius is underrated. genius is contextual. need "genius" to reside in the system, not the individual.
    genius was catchall term b/c 140 chars sucks. Is ALWAYS an indiv that changes stat quo, never in the system itself
    which may say something about initiatives like sei's cmm
  • 2009.07.23 18:49: @craigg75
    I always heard the metric was town pop = 10K, each town separated by 50 miles
    works out to about 250M global population
  • 2009.07.23 18:51: @craigg75
    I always heard the metric was town pop = 10K, each town separated by 50 miles
    cut that in half for inhabitable regions - yeah, always figured 100M sounded like a good sustainable number
  • 2009.07.23 18:52: @klaatu
    @craigg75
    All - Please help me eat this 1/2 gallon of Blue Bunny chocolate ice cream before it melts.
    I think that email is womanspeak 4 office party is now. 'suppose 2 know the why implicitly less U were head down coder'ing 2 long.
    breaks the code ! ;-)
  • 2009.07.23 18:52: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel
    @craigg75
    I always heard the metric was town pop = 10K, each town separated by 50 miles
    works out to about 250M global population
    you frighten me when you do math that fast
    huh ? that seemed to take a long time - i was kinda disappointed in myself
  • 2009.07.23 18:54: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel
    @craigg75
    I always heard the metric was town pop = 10K, each town separated by 50 miles
    works out to about 250M global population
    you frighten me when you do math that fast
    of course, it'd go faster if i'd use paper or a calculator or something
  • 2009.07.23 18:56: @craigg75
    @klaatu
    @craigg75
    All - Please help me eat this 1/2 gallon of Blue Bunny chocolate ice cream before it melts.
    I think that email is womanspeak 4 office party is now. 'suppose 2 know the why implicitly less U were head down coder'ing 2 long.
    male sender on that email.. they always have charity stuff going on here, probably some kids thing went on..leftovers
    genders at notforprofits are sometimes a fuzzy thing
  • 2009.07.23 18:58: @craigg75
    interesting google links on "sustainable population density" -- popular topic obviously
    differnet definitons of "sustainable" make a big imapct. your 10k town every 50 miles considers socio-political factors
  • 2009.07.23 18:59: @craigg75
    interesting google links on "sustainable population density" -- popular topic obviously
    seems a lot of what you find on google are more about least common denomintator physical survival - blah.
  • 2009.07.23 18:59: typo storm !
  • 2009.07.23 19:16: @craigg75
    sei's cmm?
    carnegie mellon universitiy's software engineering institute's capability maturity model for software
  • 2009.07.23 19:18: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    @craigg75
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    .@fractalnavel My problem with the powers that be wanting to call a culling is that I can't cull them.
    but that's just a power struggle. "if i make the rules, i will survive". but every "i" makes the same argument.
    @klaatu would lower population be better for all concerned even if those doing the culling are evil?
    pop size: depends on size factors 2 sustain population & genetic diversity. Then its churn so we get a genius more often.
    genius is overrated. genius is underrated. genius is contextual. need "genius" to reside in the system, not the individual.
    genius was catchall term b/c 140 chars sucks. Is ALWAYS an indiv that changes stat quo, never in the system itself
    which may say something about initiatives like sei's cmm
    sei's cmm: yeah I just read an article by some pgmr proj guru & he's pulled a 180. Only factory work can be modeled with that.
    oh, bull. but no tool should be applied blindly. very few cmm level 5's in the world (handful?). some of nasa has acheived it.
  • 2009.07.23 19:19: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @craigg75
    I always heard the metric was town pop = 10K, each town separated by 50 miles
    cut that in half for inhabitable regions - yeah, always figured 100M sounded like a good sustainable number
    @craigg75 The "useless eaters" remark makers point to 1Billion but thats planetary. We only had 150M ppl during WWII
    wwii ? who, "we" ? the u.s. ? no, i meant 100M global. when was the last time popualtion was there ? not too long ago, really.
  • 2009.07.23 19:20: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    @craigg75
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    .@fractalnavel My problem with the powers that be wanting to call a culling is that I can't cull them.
    but that's just a power struggle. "if i make the rules, i will survive". but every "i" makes the same argument.
    @klaatu would lower population be better for all concerned even if those doing the culling are evil?
    pop size: depends on size factors 2 sustain population & genetic diversity. Then its churn so we get a genius more often.
    genius is overrated. genius is underrated. genius is contextual. need "genius" to reside in the system, not the individual.
    genius was catchall term b/c 140 chars sucks. Is ALWAYS an indiv that changes stat quo, never in the system itself
    which may say something about initiatives like sei's cmm
    sei's cmm: yeah I just read an article by some pgmr proj guru & he's pulled a 180. Only factory work can be modeled with that.
    but yeah, sei cmm certification (or whatever) can be expensive - need a reason. like everything - balance.
  • 2009.07.23 19:23: hmm - 100M planetary means 5M for u.s. proportional to curent distribution. but i think current distribution is part of the problem.
  • 2009.07.23 19:35: "democracy": favors those willing to breed irresponsibly. you may want to reconsider the catholic position. no, not "missionary". heathens.
  • 2009.07.23 19:45: sad to see "web" jobs fall under a marketing department
  • 2009.07.23 20:14: @klaatu
    @craigg75
    Brain-dead AOL-er,I should do the world a favor and cap you like Old Yeller You're just about as useless as jpegs to Hellen Keller
    So you're saying we should cull the world of all AOL-ers? Hmm, that'd be a start.
    oooh, noooo - there i goooooo ....
  • 2009.07.23 20:16: my first sig: y'know, i never use sigs ...
  • 2009.07.23 20:21: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel
    my first sig: y'know, i never use sigs ...
    perhaps we should use "winnow" instead of "cull" ;)
    lol - man, that place was so fucked up
  • 2009.07.23 20:27: dogfish head's festina peche: a bit disappointing in the context of how well they've done with other recent creations.
  • 2009.07.23 20:28: then again, my taste buds seem - strange - lately
  • 2009.07.23 20:33: @klaatu
    Democracy without morality is impossible. -Kemp, Jack http://quotationsbook.com/quote/10458/
    yet i think recent years have built a case that democracy with morality (should be quoted) is impossible as well.
  • 2009.07.23 20:35: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    my first sig: y'know, i never use sigs ...
    Your 2nd sig: y'know, i never use sigs, I heard they give you cancer.
    lol - i may just have to start using sigs - cough - "...again, please..."
  • 2009.07.23 20:36: @klaatu
    I'd like 2 point out that I didn't ask 4 that quote, the universe just now decided to chime in on Democracy for us.
    "Ding"
  • 2009.07.23 20:42: i guess it's a good thing i never ran into mr. whipple here...
  • 2009.07.23 20:45: i'd like to be able to twitter in sean connery's accent (*what?!)
  • 2009.07.23 20:46: what's kinda scary is the most popular download on that new site of mine has been the classic asp one.
  • 2009.07.23 20:47: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel
    i guess it's a good thing i never ran into mr. whipple here...
    that's ha-whipple
    say "whip" ;-)
  • 2009.07.23 20:48: must be endofday, i can feel the silliness kicking in
  • 2009.07.23 20:48: oh wait - that's beer
  • 2009.07.23 20:50: @craigg75 this would be another notch higher on the funny scale if we were all using "family guy" avatars
  • 2009.07.23 20:50: @craigg75
    ha-whip
    ... pplee
  • 2009.07.23 20:54: hwoa - did you see that hwale ? hwat an experience. man. i'm hwipped. so, hwat's for dinner ?
  • 2009.07.23 20:54: @craigg75
    um.. I thought I was ..stewie? hello? too much of that banana beer?
    but we're not :(
  • 2009.07.23 20:57: @craigg75
    at days end I think we've again proven that twitter is just a retarded version of internet chat
    i think there's redundancy there ;-)
  • 2009.07.23 20:59: @craigg75
    oh joy @klaatu shopping bot has taken control :)
    honestly, it reflects the human expreience pretty well. "sound & fury", and all that rot...
  • 2009.07.23 21:00: @craigg75
    you know I never liked the widescreen lcd pc monitors.. rather have the 4:3 aspect ratio
    agreed.
  • 2009.07.23 21:01: @craigg75
    you know I never liked the widescreen lcd pc monitors.. rather have the 4:3 aspect ratio
    think of where your natural peripheral vision boundaries lie
  • 2009.07.23 21:15: you know, if you effectively shut people up, there's no one left to talk to.
  • 2009.07.23 21:34: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    you know, if you effectively shut people up, there's no one left to talk to.
    No you'd have no one left to talk WITH still able to talk TO them though. But those damn kids never listen or get off my lawn.
    yeah, i was thinking of alternative prepositions there. but people don't usually listen unless you let them talk. in this culture.
  • 2009.07.24 02:47: coool - somehow suddenly went from 200 to 140 followers ;-) in less than an hour, with no activity on my part. eh, whatever.
  • 2009.07.24 02:52: briefly poking around, this looks like a widespread thing. huh.
  • 2009.07.24 02:54: twitter error correction, i guess - or error introduction. no way to tell.
  • 2009.07.24 03:16: cheney, paul, whoever: i kinda wish the presidential has-beens & wouldhavebeens would stand down a bit.
  • 2009.07.24 03:18: there's a limit to how much turmoil a system can take, even if said turmoil would have a positive effect if considered in isolation.
  • 2009.07.24 03:20: on the other hand we don't need blind group-think either. it just seems that good judgement isn't available anymore- & it was rare to start
(pulled direct from twitter via custom job)
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klaatu: leo: Very moving wedding moment (via TheKheinz)  smile...



klaatu:

leo:

Very moving wedding moment (via TheKheinz)

 smile cramps, man ;-)

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links for 2009-07-23

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