Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - Posts

Tuesday, July 21, 2009

a day in a life 2009.07.21

via @fractalnavel: in the last 24 hours:
  • 2009.07.21 13:04: @jdhunt
    Today is a day of celebration - the baby AND the dog slept through the night!
    but perhaps you didn't, if you noticed ?
  • 2009.07.21 13:07: the music festivals of the 60s-70s were commercialized into the spring breaks of the 80s onward.
  • 2009.07.21 13:07: there isn't anything big business won't take from us.
  • 2009.07.21 13:12: must be morning: smell of coffee, and fresh ground n00bs on the forums.
  • 2009.07.21 13:13: yeah, some digital napalm would work wonders. oh, @craigg75 - you're good at this - want to torch some folks ?
  • 2009.07.21 13:20: peeve: it's "seAmless", you morons, not "seEmless"! [i seem to have received @craigg75 's flamethrower in the mail - says: "open at seams".]
  • 2009.07.21 13:21: "seemless" - i believe that would be "...NOT to be"
  • 2009.07.21 13:26: community maintained communityserver: guess all those who would have cared moved on already. do you want to whine or do you want a solution?
  • 2009.07.21 13:28: not sure i can trust any consultant who describes a manually operated batch process as "seemless" - no, not the word - manual batch !
  • 2009.07.21 13:30: [let's see - boots - steel toes - pointy - ahh, there they are ...]
  • 2009.07.21 13:48: @jdhunt
    @fractalnavel
    @jdhunt
    Today is a day of celebration - the baby AND the dog slept through the night!
    but perhaps you didn't, if you noticed ?
    Well, neither one woke me up... so maybe I should be more specific in that I slept through the night.
    well, if no one's complaining and everyone's healthy - you're gold ;-)
  • 2009.07.21 14:00: @klaatu
    meritline.com - 25 Pack Optical Quantum 4x 25GB Blu-ray Disc (BD-R) $97 http://bit.ly/tXWRP Geez 25GB discs.
    yeah - where do you find the device to burn 'em - & read 'em ? 25x25 = 625GB for $97 is more than for hd space.
  • 2009.07.21 14:03: 8am - idiot out back starts something with a small gas engine. guns it - once, twice, three times. then nothing. gee thanks, rooster-man.
  • 2009.07.21 14:04: @klaatu
    Students who did well less likely to become entrepreneurs: http://om.ly/?BGUF More about entrepreneurship http://om.ly/?BGUG
    of course - our programs checked out, we're finely tuned little cogs in the machine.
  • 2009.07.21 14:05: @klaatu
    RT @RonPaulcom: Ron Paul’s Bill To Audit The Federal Reserve Now Has 275 Co-Sponsors in the House, and 17 Co-Sponsors in the Senate!
    did you ever listen to mr. paul on, say, meet the press ? the guy is one dangerous naive m.f.
  • 2009.07.21 14:06: shit - who knew - tuesday is "rip on everything" day.
  • 2009.07.21 14:08: @klaatu
    RT @popurls: Columbus wasn't the first; Experts confirm that Medieval map depicting America is authentic http://pop.ly/2f9i
    yes, but haven't they been saying this for decades now ?
  • 2009.07.21 14:27: @craigg75
    RT @RonPaulcom: Poll: Should Congress Abolish the Federal Reserve? http://bit.ly/2eBLmp
    imagine the banking system as a protracted war: can you just walk out overnight? still good to end it, but you need a plan- & time
  • 2009.07.21 14:30: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    RT @RonPaulcom: Ron Paul’s Bill To Audit The Federal Reserve Now Has 275 Co-Sponsors in the House, and 17 Co-Sponsors in the Senate!
    did you ever listen to mr. paul on, say, meet the press ? the guy is one dangerous naive m.f.
    I don't think Ron Paul is as naive as you think. Dangerous? What makes you say that? I think Ted Kennedy is far more Dangerous
    he has no mind for consequences, dismisses them.
  • 2009.07.21 14:31: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    RT @RonPaulcom: Ron Paul’s Bill To Audit The Federal Reserve Now Has 275 Co-Sponsors in the House, and 17 Co-Sponsors in the Senate!
    did you ever listen to mr. paul on, say, meet the press ? the guy is one dangerous naive m.f.
    I don't think Ron Paul is as naive as you think. Dangerous? What makes you say that? I think Ted Kennedy is far more Dangerous
    kennedy ? a non-issue. but let's see, 60s - 70s: the only harm done was allowing the gop to run things. sorry.
  • 2009.07.21 14:34: @klaatu
    Bob Chapman explains Goldman Sachs code theft & how GS used said code to screw billions out of every stock trade a penny at a time.
    isn't that the classic computer theft scenario ? no person could get away with it, but certainly institutions could - so did
  • 2009.07.21 14:34: @klaatu
    Bob Chapman explains Goldman Sachs code theft & how GS used said code to screw billions out of every stock trade a penny at a time.
    eh, it's an undocumented fee. they would have gotten it from us one way or another. just more of the same old shit
  • 2009.07.21 14:37: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    RT @popurls: Columbus wasn't the first; Experts confirm that Medieval map depicting America is authentic http://pop.ly/2f9i
    yes, but haven't they been saying this for decades now ?
    I've been saying it since gradeschool, finally the vinland map gets authenticated so they can't shush us up anymore.
    never was clear why the columbus myth was so important to everyone
  • 2009.07.21 14:43: @klaatu
    Yale researchers create database-Hadoop hybrid http://bit.ly/17riVS
    ooh - that's a model-breaker. cloud computing platforms like gae don't support rdbms; this could help change that.
  • 2009.07.21 14:58: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    Bob Chapman explains Goldman Sachs code theft & how GS used said code to screw billions out of every stock trade a penny at a time.
    isn't that the classic computer theft scenario ? no person could get away with it, but certainly institutions could - so did
    If they did it w/o a trade it'd be obviously illegal, the trade hides that but they shouldn't be able to delay your trades.
    i guess i'm looking at the pragmatics, not the legalisms.
  • 2009.07.21 14:59: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    Bob Chapman explains Goldman Sachs code theft & how GS used said code to screw billions out of every stock trade a penny at a time.
    isn't that the classic computer theft scenario ? no person could get away with it, but certainly institutions could - so did
    I read Livermore's book on robber barron trading B4 any regulation & GS's tactic is that oldschool & was why regs came to be!
    people kid themselves with their comfy "regulations", like childrens' bedside prayers. or religion.
  • 2009.07.21 15:01: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel RonPaul: Sometime you have to be brave & cut the infection out. Take a short term hit for long term health as it were.
    nice sound bite.
  • 2009.07.21 15:01: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    RT @RonPaulcom: Ron Paul’s Bill To Audit The Federal Reserve Now Has 275 Co-Sponsors in the House, and 17 Co-Sponsors in the Senate!
    did you ever listen to mr. paul on, say, meet the press ? the guy is one dangerous naive m.f.
    I don't think Ron Paul is as naive as you think. Dangerous? What makes you say that? I think Ted Kennedy is far more Dangerous
    he has no mind for consequences, dismisses them.
    RonPaul: I think a lot of those consequences you fear are setup to keep status quo scams going without interference.
    not what i'm after: transitions are important.
  • 2009.07.21 15:02: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    Bob Chapman explains Goldman Sachs code theft & how GS used said code to screw billions out of every stock trade a penny at a time.
    isn't that the classic computer theft scenario ? no person could get away with it, but certainly institutions could - so did
    If they did it w/o a trade it'd be obviously illegal, the trade hides that but they shouldn't be able to delay your trades.
    i guess i'm looking at the pragmatics, not the legalisms.
    pragmatics: its like buying gas but the pump doesn't start until the price rises a bit.
    and yet you still have to buy the gas. suck it up. regs ? not in paul's world.
  • 2009.07.21 15:03: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    Bob Chapman explains Goldman Sachs code theft & how GS used said code to screw billions out of every stock trade a penny at a time.
    isn't that the classic computer theft scenario ? no person could get away with it, but certainly institutions could - so did
    If they did it w/o a trade it'd be obviously illegal, the trade hides that but they shouldn't be able to delay your trades.
    i guess i'm looking at the pragmatics, not the legalisms.
    pragmatics: its like buying gas but the pump doesn't start until the price rises a bit.
    that's no different than when i pull in anyway. ignore the damn signs, you need what you need. it's why fuel needs to be a utility
  • 2009.07.21 15:05: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel pragmatics: Also it creates a fake stat on mkt volatility akin to fake interest in the stocks where few are really trading.
    is there a rule that there are no unwritten rules ? i don't have a lot of sympathy for any speculative investor
  • 2009.07.21 15:06: "wall street", the movie: is greed good ?
  • 2009.07.21 15:08: until we rid ourselves of this "every man for himself, anything goes" attitude, it's, well - every man for himself, anything goes.
  • 2009.07.21 15:10: @craigg75
    RT @klaatu: RonPaul: Sometime you have to be brave & cut the infection out. Take a short term hit for long term health as it were.
    ahh, let's see, who will make the cut - is it you ? or you ? come on now, i want to see volunteers. someone deserves it.
  • 2009.07.21 15:11: example: is the sacrifice paying taxes, or not paying taxes ? depends on what you consider worth sacrificing.
  • 2009.07.21 15:12: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    Bob Chapman explains Goldman Sachs code theft & how GS used said code to screw billions out of every stock trade a penny at a time.
    isn't that the classic computer theft scenario ? no person could get away with it, but certainly institutions could - so did
    I read Livermore's book on robber barron trading B4 any regulation & GS's tactic is that oldschool & was why regs came to be!
    people kid themselves with their comfy "regulations", like childrens' bedside prayers. or religion.
    regs: yeah, read Livermore's book 2C how pre-reg was even more scam infested times http://bit.ly/4gXD0 http://bit.ly/nsqXq
    of course. welcome to paul's world. then again, it's just piranha feeding on wanna-be piranhas. to the detriment of the pond.
  • 2009.07.21 15:14: @klaatu
    "Confessions of An Economic Hit Man" soon a movie?? http://bit.ly/Fw4HR
    thing is, these folks are sort-of anti-heroes: everyone wants to be them - and get away with it, of course.
  • 2009.07.21 15:16: how many americans support only enough taxes / social programs to soothe their consciences, but no more ? not tied to prevailing need at all
  • 2009.07.21 15:17: @klaatu
    The market does not beat them. They beat themselves, because though they have brains they cannot sit tight. -- Livermore on Self Control
    applies to getting into a market in the first place, too.
  • 2009.07.21 15:19: likewise with "reforms": people support those proposals that they feel they will be on the winning side of.
  • 2009.07.21 15:20: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel once again you are off topic, the issue was Ron Paul
    ah, yes - frame the question into a box. what is ron pauls's context ? oh look, this grain of sand - please ignore the mountain
  • 2009.07.21 15:21: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel and his disdain for the Federal REserve
    um - what ? some might say that i've been supporting it. but against it ? no, neither is true. it's a symptom.
  • 2009.07.21 15:24: taxes- reforms- social responsibility- markets - greed - banking - regulation: you can't deal with any of these in isolation from the others
  • 2009.07.21 15:27: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    Bob Chapman explains Goldman Sachs code theft & how GS used said code to screw billions out of every stock trade a penny at a time.
    isn't that the classic computer theft scenario ? no person could get away with it, but certainly institutions could - so did
    If they did it w/o a trade it'd be obviously illegal, the trade hides that but they shouldn't be able to delay your trades.
    i guess i'm looking at the pragmatics, not the legalisms.
    pragmatics: its like buying gas but the pump doesn't start until the price rises a bit.
    that's no different than when i pull in anyway. ignore the damn signs, you need what you need. it's why fuel needs to be a utility
    But what if you were buying a LOT of fuel & those bogus price swings were like the monthly $20/bbl 1's we've seen.
    exactly the point. driven by: market speculation. driven by: greed. reforms? lots of ways. removing contraints? not one of them.
  • 2009.07.21 15:28: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel enuf to change your desire to buy fuel in the 1st place. Sure U can lump it 4 chump changes, but when the hits signif U change
    and then you eventually get a rising tide of "disadvantaged" who can no longer buy fuel. but - our society also demands that you do.
  • 2009.07.21 15:29: @craigg75
    should I eat this apple, well lets consider the tree, the sunlight used to make it, the guy who picked it, am I abusing them? is t wasteful?
    as a matter of fact: yes.
  • 2009.07.21 15:30: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    @fractalnavel pragmatics: Also it creates a fake stat on mkt volatility akin to fake interest in the stocks where few are really trading.
    is there a rule that there are no unwritten rules ? i don't have a lot of sympathy for any speculative investor
    What kind of investing ISN'T speculative? really. Its a valuation game but when the house cheats it stops being a game.
    i guess it comes down to the purpose of the speculation.
  • 2009.07.21 15:32: @craigg75
    sometimes an apple is just an apple freud...
    entropy. whatever lives, destroys. at which point i'm at a loss. i don't want to pull "morals" into this. damn worm cans...
  • 2009.07.21 15:35: just hit my paradoxical dead end: it always seems to come to an issue of values - and yet values are arbitrary. always get stuck there.
  • 2009.07.21 15:37: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel generalizing arguments means you either don't understand the issue or can't debate it.. FAIL
    generalization: also known as the inventor's paradox:to solve a specific problem, solve the more general one of which it is a part
  • 2009.07.21 15:38: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel generalizing arguments means you either don't understand the issue or can't debate it.. FAIL
    fail ? on the contrary, i've used that technique successfully in - just about everything. math, physics, programming, design, ...
  • 2009.07.21 15:41: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
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    @klaatu
    @fractalnavel pragmatics: Also it creates a fake stat on mkt volatility akin to fake interest in the stocks where few are really trading.
    is there a rule that there are no unwritten rules ? i don't have a lot of sympathy for any speculative investor
    What kind of investing ISN'T speculative? really. Its a valuation game but when the house cheats it stops being a game.
    i guess it comes down to the purpose of the speculation.
    The stolen GS code let them precog 5 secs into the "future" by delaying every1 else's "Now" 5 secs. ergo gaming the system.
    and yet who wouldn't do the same if given the chance ? and won't people always be trying to create similar chances ?
  • 2009.07.21 15:42: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    @fractalnavel pragmatics: Also it creates a fake stat on mkt volatility akin to fake interest in the stocks where few are really trading.
    is there a rule that there are no unwritten rules ? i don't have a lot of sympathy for any speculative investor
    What kind of investing ISN'T speculative? really. Its a valuation game but when the house cheats it stops being a game.
    i guess it comes down to the purpose of the speculation.
    exactly, w/o regs OR insane SELF-reg'd we get the scams hyper condensed till every day risks a mkt collapse.
    no solution in the markets or regs themselves: the root of the problem lies outside that solution space: in human nature.
  • 2009.07.21 15:44: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    @fractalnavel pragmatics: Also it creates a fake stat on mkt volatility akin to fake interest in the stocks where few are really trading.
    is there a rule that there are no unwritten rules ? i don't have a lot of sympathy for any speculative investor
    What kind of investing ISN'T speculative? really. Its a valuation game but when the house cheats it stops being a game.
    i guess it comes down to the purpose of the speculation.
    Its the same "regs" reason that TV shows stocks 15 min delayed, filter the ripples, try to estab a mkt value for the day.
    well, there is another issue: removing what used to be impicit buffers from the system breaks it. they need to be back in some form
  • 2009.07.21 15:46: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel if we followed your logic we would still be in caves deciding the morality of killing the saber-tooth tiger waiting outside
    a time & place for everything; phases, eh ? but in a sense, you're right. and that is done today.
  • 2009.07.21 15:48: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel if we followed your logic we would still be in caves deciding the morality of killing the saber-tooth tiger waiting outside
    thing is - there is no "morality". just a collection of practical considerations - often complex & extended ones.
  • 2009.07.21 15:49: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel put down the pin, there are no angels dancing on it... leave navel grazing for the philosophers
    and what am i, if not that ? besides, i beleive "navel grazing" is for the porn thread ;-) nice typo
  • 2009.07.21 15:50: complex practical considerations: it's the problem "morality" & "ehtics" evolved to solve - shortcuts, heuristics, rules of thumb.
  • 2009.07.21 15:51: @craigg75 didn't you just watch that bill maher interview on evolution of religion ? what did he have to say on that ?
  • 2009.07.21 15:54: aaand back to ron paul: i generally agree with his principals, but not his methods. but really, i haven't seen enough detail to say.
  • 2009.07.21 15:55: @craigg75
    it was a bill moyers interview and he didn't consider the lillies in reference to our broken financial system
    but of evolution of god ? main points ?
  • 2009.07.21 15:57: @klaatu
    .@fractalnavel So now we're back in Plato's cave wondering if your take on human nature clouds the solutionspace with shadows of FAIL.
    going to take me a moment to parse that ...
  • 2009.07.21 15:58: @klaatu
    .@fractalnavel So now we're back in Plato's cave wondering if your take on human nature clouds the solutionspace with shadows of FAIL.
    not even limited to "human" nature, i guess. it's an essential part of a physical universe. still putting those pieces together.
  • 2009.07.21 16:01: oh, sure- i recognize that my discussion has wandered all over. sometimes to see the shape of something you have to go beyond it. well, i do
  • 2009.07.21 16:01: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
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    @klaatu
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    @klaatu
    @fractalnavel pragmatics: Also it creates a fake stat on mkt volatility akin to fake interest in the stocks where few are really trading.
    is there a rule that there are no unwritten rules ? i don't have a lot of sympathy for any speculative investor
    What kind of investing ISN'T speculative? really. Its a valuation game but when the house cheats it stops being a game.
    i guess it comes down to the purpose of the speculation.
    Its the same "regs" reason that TV shows stocks 15 min delayed, filter the ripples, try to estab a mkt value for the day.
    well, there is another issue: removing what used to be impicit buffers from the system breaks it. they need to be back in some form
    Geez, implicit buffers now are good, this thread started w/GS code bypassing 'em 4 gain. Full Circle time again.
    yeah, funny how that works out ;-)
  • 2009.07.21 16:03: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
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    @klaatu
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    @klaatu
    @fractalnavel pragmatics: Also it creates a fake stat on mkt volatility akin to fake interest in the stocks where few are really trading.
    is there a rule that there are no unwritten rules ? i don't have a lot of sympathy for any speculative investor
    What kind of investing ISN'T speculative? really. Its a valuation game but when the house cheats it stops being a game.
    i guess it comes down to the purpose of the speculation.
    Its the same "regs" reason that TV shows stocks 15 min delayed, filter the ripples, try to estab a mkt value for the day.
    well, there is another issue: removing what used to be impicit buffers from the system breaks it. they need to be back in some form
    Geez, implicit buffers now are good, this thread started w/GS code bypassing 'em 4 gain. Full Circle time again.
    thing is, you can't cure the motivation to sidestep that, now that it's possible. and unfortunately, it's not good to give to all
  • 2009.07.21 16:04: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel my point exactly, you don't understand the issue and hence you head for the clouds where there are no real answers
    no - i just see a far more complex issue before me. i can't ignore the connections. sometimes it's the "blind" who are gifted...
  • 2009.07.21 16:09: so what's the limited, focused issue, then ? how to fix a broken financial system ? no - the illegal actions of a particular player ?
  • 2009.07.21 16:10: issue: using an audit to get a better grasp on the actions of perhaps the major player in recent economic debacles
  • 2009.07.21 16:12: and should the system of values used to evaluate the wisdom of such an undertaking be contrained as well? doesn't that give you an answer?
  • 2009.07.21 16:13: it seems to me that any forgone conclusion is suspect. so i look for what the contraints are trying to keep me from.
  • 2009.07.21 16:15: @craigg75
    Nazi fringe groups are always an interesting read... racial hatred is genetic.. there's a good head in the clouds topic @fractalnavel :)
    old, boring, simple, actually. now, socialengineering, that's a topic ;-) but isn't that what we've been talking about ?
  • 2009.07.21 16:16: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
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    @fractalnavel pragmatics: Also it creates a fake stat on mkt volatility akin to fake interest in the stocks where few are really trading.
    is there a rule that there are no unwritten rules ? i don't have a lot of sympathy for any speculative investor
    What kind of investing ISN'T speculative? really. Its a valuation game but when the house cheats it stops being a game.
    i guess it comes down to the purpose of the speculation.
    Its the same "regs" reason that TV shows stocks 15 min delayed, filter the ripples, try to estab a mkt value for the day.
    well, there is another issue: removing what used to be impicit buffers from the system breaks it. they need to be back in some form
    Geez, implicit buffers now are good, this thread started w/GS code bypassing 'em 4 gain. Full Circle time again.
    thing is, you can't cure the motivation to sidestep that, now that it's possible. and unfortunately, it's not good to give to all
    forget give 2 all, point is GS shouldn't of had it+2 hide their cheat they sick'd feds on the pgmr when he left. Media quiet 2
    agreed. i'm just not surprised, and i think this particular instance of gross misdeed would have been accomplished in any case.
  • 2009.07.21 16:18: what does surprise me, which i think is your point- how are these and so many other rich bastards getting away with it? well, they're rich
  • 2009.07.21 16:20: anywho, @klaatu @craigg75 , i appreciate the chance to stretch those "muscles" a bit. still so much work to be done there.
  • 2009.07.21 16:21: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
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    @fractalnavel pragmatics: Also it creates a fake stat on mkt volatility akin to fake interest in the stocks where few are really trading.
    is there a rule that there are no unwritten rules ? i don't have a lot of sympathy for any speculative investor
    What kind of investing ISN'T speculative? really. Its a valuation game but when the house cheats it stops being a game.
    i guess it comes down to the purpose of the speculation.
    Its the same "regs" reason that TV shows stocks 15 min delayed, filter the ripples, try to estab a mkt value for the day.
    well, there is another issue: removing what used to be impicit buffers from the system breaks it. they need to be back in some form
    Geez, implicit buffers now are good, this thread started w/GS code bypassing 'em 4 gain. Full Circle time again.
    thing is, you can't cure the motivation to sidestep that, now that it's possible. and unfortunately, it's not good to give to all
    forget give 2 all, point is GS shouldn't of had it+2 hide their cheat they sick'd feds on the pgmr when he left. Media quiet 2
    @craigg75 jefferson had it right, about banks, corporate entities & government. hard to close pandora's box, though.
  • 2009.07.21 16:24: @craigg75
    cloud topic -- rich ppl avoidance of social responsibility .. and ovoids...
    i ask again: the focused topic is ?
  • 2009.07.21 16:26: is it possible to focus too narrowly on something, perhaps ?
  • 2009.07.21 16:34: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    it seems to me that any forgone conclusion is suspect. so i look for what the contraints are trying to keep me from.
    Ah, but how can UC what the constraints are keeping you from if they are WORKING & hiding the subjects from you?
    rumsfeld's "unknown unknowns". yep, that's the reason for constantly searching, questioning everything. every now & then: a glimpse
  • 2009.07.21 16:35: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    it seems to me that any forgone conclusion is suspect. so i look for what the contraints are trying to keep me from.
    It seems U can only see faulty failing constraints or ones that don't completely hide from view the subject matter it limits.
    i'd want to consider this in the context of philosophy of science & causation.
  • 2009.07.21 16:36: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    it seems to me that any forgone conclusion is suspect. so i look for what the contraints are trying to keep me from.
    It seems U can only see faulty failing constraints or ones that don't completely hide from view the subject matter it limits.
    it may be that "constraints" - aren't. they may be inherently "faulty". something to consider, anyway. not sure i agree with this
  • 2009.07.21 16:37: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    it seems to me that any forgone conclusion is suspect. so i look for what the contraints are trying to keep me from.
    It seems U can only see faulty failing constraints or ones that don't completely hide from view the subject matter it limits.
    in fact - don't constraints actually point you towards things ? think "freedom", and the surrounding propaganda...
  • 2009.07.21 16:38: ... as long as we don't see the bars, we're happy.
  • 2009.07.21 16:39: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    it seems to me that any forgone conclusion is suspect. so i look for what the contraints are trying to keep me from.
    It seems U can only see faulty failing constraints or ones that don't completely hide from view the subject matter it limits.
    ... and so training (aka "education") is critical to maintaining a complacent populace - they would struggle if the felt their bonds
  • 2009.07.21 16:42: (this one's for @craigg75) .. all of existence is predicated on the concept of boundaries, difference - the "other"
  • 2009.07.21 16:42: @klaatu
    @craigg75
    cloud topic -- rich ppl avoidance of social responsibility .. and ovoids...
    I think an ovoid ate fractalnavel's brain & took over. Need 2 write an ovoid specific Voight-Kampf test.
    lol - fine then...
  • 2009.07.21 16:44: [...i knew that damn green ovoid was up to no good...]
  • 2009.07.21 16:47: @craigg75
    @klaatu @fractalnavel gave up tv and it's starting to show :)
    you know - that's true - see what happens when mind control is removed ? not good, not good - i long for soma...
  • 2009.07.21 16:49: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    it seems to me that any forgone conclusion is suspect. so i look for what the contraints are trying to keep me from.
    It seems U can only see faulty failing constraints or ones that don't completely hide from view the subject matter it limits.
    ... and so training (aka "education") is critical to maintaining a complacent populace - they would struggle if the felt their bonds
    constraints=bars but we don't see any bars ergo no constraints. Here, take this blue pill now.
    um, not quite. ergo we don't see them. all pretty circular. but the consequence is that we don't act either.
  • 2009.07.21 16:50: on a practical note; they aren't constraints if you never run into them. so why go looking for them ? this is where it gets interesting.
  • 2009.07.21 16:52: so yes - constraints are contextual.
  • 2009.07.21 16:53: @klaatu
    RT @BreakingNews: In a 58-40 vote, the U.S. Senate has removed $1.75 billion from a defense policy bill to build 7 F-22 Raptors.
    maan - the toys are the only fun things we had left !
  • 2009.07.21 16:56: @craigg75 @klaatu so in conclusion: i may be in la-la land, OR you may be, um, 'constrained'. also, that's a continuum.
  • 2009.07.21 16:57: @klaatu
    When did BFF go from Best Female Friend to Best Friends Forevar? It sounds like lesbionic valley speak... Or a topless mud wrestling league.
    i thought it had always been the second interpretation...
  • 2009.07.21 17:33: ovoid avoidance check: i missed the most dangerous one in the vicinity - the hairy one that sits on top my neck.
  • 2009.07.21 17:38: telligentcommunity last straw & final nail - no sdk: http://u.nu/9jem ; you need to read that, it's phenomenal piece of corporate bullshit.
  • 2009.07.21 17:38: there are some outright lies in there about historical policies & practices.
  • 2009.07.21 17:43: now, that's a perfectly normal position, and even generous, for your runof themill proprietary software package.
  • 2009.07.21 17:44: but communityserver succeeded in large part because it was not "runof themill". emphasis on the past tense.
  • 2009.07.21 17:45: @klaatu
    Shouldn't the Jap PM commit sepuku or something? http://bit.ly/25Q9HE wow you can see the big scar the ovoid made when it entered his brain.
    the ovoid is the brain.
  • 2009.07.21 17:47: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel why don't you just request a SDK license? or are they just BS'ng everyone?
    i'm not a "customer or partner". i wonder if they talked to the partners about any of this ahead of time? not from what i've seen
  • 2009.07.21 17:52: @craigg75
    Sen. Byrd is still alive?! and he's still a senator?! we are so doomed...
    aww, come on, let the geezer have his fun ;-)
  • 2009.07.21 17:54: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel communityserver is a bit like those 70's mega concerts, communal fun taken over by big business.. Kill the rich.. :P
    thing is, i recommended that product as a key part of project architectures predicated on continued availability of the sdk
  • 2009.07.21 17:56: back when telligent was formed, they specfically assured the open source community that the "core" source code would remain available
  • 2009.07.21 17:57: this was done in part to placate the communities of the respective sub-applications that cs was created from. why? because they needed them!
  • 2009.07.21 17:59: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel was anyone able to branch the code? or was there some funky license involved?
    no, it was not "open", only "shared". my guess is they're going to retcon the past licenses, invalidating maint. of old versions.
  • 2009.07.21 18:00: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel lesson learned.. nothing is free forever
    yeah; i was taken in by hopes and a few years of kept promises.
  • 2009.07.21 18:06: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel lesson learned.. nothing is free forever
    upon further thought: "free", my ass- this was part of the value being purchased. no ticky, no washy.(or is that phrase tabu now?)
  • 2009.07.21 18:10: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel the "shared" code should have tipped you off that it wasn't a good long term model?
    there were intitial concerns, but they kept faith, and most reservations dissipated
  • 2009.07.21 18:12: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel the "shared" code should have tipped you off that it wasn't a good long term model?
    but no, even "shared" there were no hints they would ever pull the plug, and in fact made aassurances to the contrary
  • 2009.07.21 18:14: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel the "shared" code should have tipped you off that it wasn't a good long term model?
    eye opener about any software product. what can be done ? just this: can't trust this particular one anymore.
  • 2009.07.21 18:15: i guess the argument is that, those choosing to continue to put their faith in this - business - are doing themselves & everyone a disfavor.
  • 2009.07.21 18:19: @craigg75
    "she promised she would stay open to me.. now she lives with a rich banker on the hill <rickity door closes quietly.. fade to black>"
    back when this started, i had mentally composed a letter along those lines: "... i don't even recognize you anymore!"
  • 2009.07.21 18:21: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel back to your "every man for himself" argument.. no social decency left in the business world
    (1) was there ever ? (2) wait - are you - generalizing ?! sorry for the infection, dude. check yer ovoid fer damage.
  • 2009.07.21 18:44: @klaatu
    Feds Prepare To Tax Toilet Paper In Name Of Climate Change http://ur1.ca/7nfa
    literally taxing the shit out of us, eh ?
  • 2009.07.21 20:57: @klaatu
    Cap N Trade will act as an extra 20% tax to you, So will Obama's healthcare plan. ummm, 75-80% total tax load, hello socialism.
    why is "socialism" a dirty word ?
  • 2009.07.21 20:59: @klaatu
    Cap N Trade will act as an extra 20% tax to you, So will Obama's healthcare plan. ummm, 75-80% total tax load, hello socialism.
    also, it's also necessary to determine whether a tax is regressive or progressive when evaluating its socio-political effects
  • 2009.07.21 21:00: @klaatu
    Cap N Trade will act as an extra 20% tax to you, So will Obama's healthcare plan. ummm, 75-80% total tax load, hello socialism.
    highly regressive taxes are typically not socialistic
  • 2009.07.21 21:01: @craigg75
    I have no issues with socialism, I just don't think a country our size would do it efficiently and it would fail all over the place
    oh, shit - we can't seem to do anything right, really. and yep, to suceed, there would be a lot of needed groundwork first
  • 2009.07.21 21:02: @craigg75
    I have no issues with socialism, I just don't think a country our size would do it efficiently and it would fail all over the place
    good point on size. much analysis needs doing on scaling of various systems and their components
  • 2009.07.21 21:03: am i a software developer or a f*ing lawyer ? : http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986
  • 2009.07.21 21:05: @craigg75
    I wonder if this country would ever accept the mindset of socialism. It requires a more caring for your neighbor attitude
    or - something. i don't know - are the people really more caring in more socialistic systems ? or is it something else ?
  • 2009.07.21 21:06: @craigg75
    I wonder if this country would ever accept the mindset of socialism. It requires a more caring for your neighbor attitude
    but i think there are other cultural attitudes here that probably preclude adoption of some very workable socialism solutions
  • 2009.07.21 21:07: @klaatu
    Commercial Real Estate is down 20% it won't bottom out until its down 70%, expect another bubble 2 burst
    where's that goddam ark when you need it ?
  • 2009.07.21 21:08: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel the downside is of course less entrepreneurial spirit
    so it is said. well - is there an optimum trade-off point, do ya think ?
  • 2009.07.21 21:09: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel I've studied socialist societies (that work, not the authoritarian ones) and it seems to me there is more of a sharing attitud
    sometimes it seems like some sort of group entitlement, mass-mind thing instead - which i think is (part of) what americans fear
  • 2009.07.21 21:10: i think that earlier rfc comment should have been more along the lines of "dammit, jim - i'm a coder, not a lawyer!"
  • 2009.07.21 21:12: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel good question.. I don't know. Private enterprise still triumphs over state services even in a socialist country
    i dunno - some of the european health systems seem to outdo the private sector in the same field. but not all industries are alike
  • 2009.07.21 21:13: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel good question.. I don't know. Private enterprise still triumphs over state services even in a socialist country
    but yeah, i think in the majority of cases that that's correct. it does seem that there's still a lot of room for improvement.
  • 2009.07.21 21:15: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel good question.. I don't know. Private enterprise still triumphs over state services even in a socialist country
    but - consider open source. what's that ? and ideas surrounding a "gift economy". yep, there are still options to be tried
  • 2009.07.21 21:21: someone's really been slammin' on the service today. just one single %^&$(ing encoding error... i swear i'll get this figured out - someday
  • 2009.07.21 21:23: error rate so far is a bit less than 0.02% (99.98% success) - excluding the one gae downtime event, which added another 0.1% or so.
  • 2009.07.21 22:12: @klaatu
    @craigg75
    I wonder if this country would ever accept the mindset of socialism. It requires a more caring for your neighbor attitude
    socialism requires not caring but a "I am my brother's keeper" attitude & an "(only) I know whats best for YOU" ego.
    socialism doesn't necessarily translate into a nanny state, although admittedly it often does in practice.
  • 2009.07.21 22:14: @klaatu
    @craigg75
    @fractalnavel I've studied socialist societies (that work, not the authoritarian ones) and it seems to me there is more of a sharing attitud
    Which is why socalism doesn't scale, hi fixed cost while desired use declines. Eventually U all hit the "paying for nothing" zone.
    oh, shoot - i've been doing that here for years. i want everyone else to do the same ;-) - need an eviler emoticon than that
  • 2009.07.21 22:15: @klaatu
    @craigg75
    I wonder if this country would ever accept the mindset of socialism. It requires a more caring for your neighbor attitude
    socialism requires not caring but a "I am my brother's keeper" attitude & an "(only) I know whats best for YOU" ego.
    the solution is like a ski area: if you're out of bounds, you're on your own, or only if we feel like coming to get you.
  • 2009.07.21 22:19: irony bugs: when your error handlers have them.
  • 2009.07.21 23:24: weird bug: someone had a misplaced '&' in a querystring, shifted utf-8 data into the parameter name which wasn't being encoded. is now
  • 2009.07.21 23:25: of course, i could have just left it at "if you give me crap, i'll give you shit"
  • 2009.07.21 23:25: best to eliminate herrings of any color, though
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