Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - Posts

Tuesday, July 14, 2009

a day in a life 2009.07.14

via @fractalnavel: in the last 24 hours:
  • 2009.07.14 13:18: @klaatu
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    latest vb forum question: "Has anyone had any success with converting VB 2003.net ... to VB 2005.net? "
    Then throws salt in the wound by outsourcing the vb.net instead of skill advancing their internal team.
    but my observations apply to the vb.net crowd as well, though of course not to the extent of vb6 users
    VB was good, it was faster to dev in than MS C most of the time. But ease of use brings the me too morons, ruins a good thing.
    oh sure, it had its place. & time. those who wanted to be productive & not language-relgious used it / moved to it. however...
  • 2009.07.14 13:20: @klaatu
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    latest vb forum question: "Has anyone had any success with converting VB 2003.net ... to VB 2005.net? "
    Then throws salt in the wound by outsourcing the vb.net instead of skill advancing their internal team.
    but my observations apply to the vb.net crowd as well, though of course not to the extent of vb6 users
    Only reason there is a VB.NET was cause mgr's & recruiters wouldn't let huge VB pgmr base jump 2 C so U get both & slide over
    ... along comes the next improvement, .net, and a new language. & vb.net sounded like a reasonable thing - if equivalent to c ...
  • 2009.07.14 13:22: @klaatu
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    @fractalnavel
    latest vb forum question: "Has anyone had any success with converting VB 2003.net ... to VB 2005.net? "
    Then throws salt in the wound by outsourcing the vb.net instead of skill advancing their internal team.
    but my observations apply to the vb.net crowd as well, though of course not to the extent of vb6 users
    I could see dickhead mgrs saying only use VB.NET b/c It'll need 2b supported by a VB pgmr not a C one.
    ... but it wasn't. and it wasn't clear - to me, anyway - until some time had passed, just how much dead weight vb had picked up
  • 2009.07.14 13:25: @klaatu
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    @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    latest vb forum question: "Has anyone had any success with converting VB 2003.net ... to VB 2005.net? "
    Then throws salt in the wound by outsourcing the vb.net instead of skill advancing their internal team.
    but my observations apply to the vb.net crowd as well, though of course not to the extent of vb6 users
    I could see dickhead mgrs saying only use VB.NET b/c It'll need 2b supported by a VB pgmr not a C one.
    ... that took the de-camping of more competent programmers to c, and even farther afield. the vb bell curve shifted radically left.
  • 2009.07.14 13:27: @klaatu
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    @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    latest vb forum question: "Has anyone had any success with converting VB 2003.net ... to VB 2005.net? "
    Then throws salt in the wound by outsourcing the vb.net instead of skill advancing their internal team.
    but my observations apply to the vb.net crowd as well, though of course not to the extent of vb6 users
    mgr's want U 2 write "special english" code so a moron can maintain it, be it a foreigner or domestic wannabe. Nothing novel.
    moral: technical issues - and even management - are not the only things that can kill a programming language. worst enemy: its users
  • 2009.07.14 13:28: @craigg75
    vb.net was mistake, com based vb7 should have been made instead
    absolutely. s/b vb 10'ish about now. would have been a worthwhile addition to the family.
  • 2009.07.14 13:29: @craigg75
    vb.net was mistake, com based vb7 should have been made instead
    of course, com+ et al kinda got left behind, but that was wrappable, so it's a wash
  • 2009.07.14 13:30: @craigg75
    vb.net was mistake, com based vb7 should have been made instead
    however - still have that programmer competency issue. it wouldn't have been made so glaringly clear if vb had evolved too.
  • 2009.07.14 13:35: @klaatu
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    @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    latest vb forum question: "Has anyone had any success with converting VB 2003.net ... to VB 2005.net? "
    Then throws salt in the wound by outsourcing the vb.net instead of skill advancing their internal team.
    but my observations apply to the vb.net crowd as well, though of course not to the extent of vb6 users
    mgr's want U 2 write "special english" code so a moron can maintain it, be it a foreigner or domestic wannabe. Nothing novel.
    yet i hate to think in terms of "programmer classes" because you have the java/c/c++/etc. crowds always ready to jump on that one
  • 2009.07.14 13:36: @jdhunt
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    @craigg75
    vb.net was mistake, com based vb7 should have been made instead
    however - still have that programmer competency issue. it wouldn't have been made so glaringly clear if vb had evolved too.
    @craigg75 I wonder how many enterprises would have skipped .NET if VB 7 had been a COM language.
    yeah, and that was really the point, wasn't it ? a bifurcated technical foundation would really have sucked.
  • 2009.07.14 13:37: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel simple macro/script like programming such as vb6 still has it's place in the enterprise.. no need to move it to .net
    script languges: absolutely. you know me & javascript. i was always waiting for scriptable .net.
  • 2009.07.14 13:38: @jdhunt
    @fractalnavel
    @craigg75
    vb.net was mistake, com based vb7 should have been made instead
    however - still have that programmer competency issue. it wouldn't have been made so glaringly clear if vb had evolved too.
    @craigg75 I wonder how many enterprises would have skipped .NET if VB 7 had been a COM language.
    but oo - no, that's useful, and not contrary to script / dynamic language development. i've been having fun with python lately.
  • 2009.07.14 13:40: @craigg75
    I think thats why php is so popular, doesn't require in depth knowledge of programming to create web pages
    yup, old asp etc. model. hell, that wheel keeps getting reinvented in other template systems. e.g. - django for python
  • 2009.07.14 13:42: @craigg75
    the idea of a vb7 complements "if aint broke don't fix it"
    well - to jon's point: what would have happened to .nwet adoption rates ? you almost had to leave it behind - at first.
  • 2009.07.14 13:44: @jdhunt
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    @craigg75
    vb.net was mistake, com based vb7 should have been made instead
    however - still have that programmer competency issue. it wouldn't have been made so glaringly clear if vb had evolved too.
    @craigg75 I wonder how many enterprises would have skipped .NET if VB 7 had been a COM language.
    but oo - no, that's useful, and not contrary to script / dynamic language development. i've been having fun with python lately.
    Python is in GAE, right? I wouldn't mind playing with it if I had more time.
    yup. and java now, too - which is kind of a shame, in a sense. but a language agnostic free (to start) cloud host is a good thing
  • 2009.07.14 13:45: wups - got a couple tangled reply targets in there - would like to blame the twitter interface, but yeah, ok - user error ;-)
  • 2009.07.14 13:46: @jdhunt
    Even though I'm working in a mostly Oracle shop, I'm glad that my project uses SQL Server.
    .net over oracle ? yuk. never a comfortable match.
  • 2009.07.14 13:47: reply targeting errors: because of twitter's nonsense with hiding @'s you don't follow, you may need to check this stream directly. sorry.
  • 2009.07.14 13:49: @craigg75
    and there's the rub... they killed vb7 to compete with java.. tada!
    and that did very well, i think. java's a creaky old thing. never lived up to any of its promises. other than pissing off bill.
  • 2009.07.14 13:51: @jdhunt
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    @jdhunt
    Even though I'm working in a mostly Oracle shop, I'm glad that my project uses SQL Server.
    .net over oracle ? yuk. never a comfortable match.
    Yeah, it is funny - we are very much a .net shop and one of the owners hates Oracle. Yet, here we are.
    will say though - oracle offers a lot more than sql server in a number of ways - still not sure it's worth it
  • 2009.07.14 13:54: @craigg75
    java and linux were always better in the world of embedded devices
    but for a step up from tiny embedded systems - java seems interestingly absent. embedded and enterprise servers only, it seems.
  • 2009.07.14 13:56: @craigg75
    java and linux were always better in the world of embedded devices
    i haven't looked into trying to get java onto the xo - i don't think it's even available in the repositories.
  • 2009.07.14 14:00: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel I would have thought there would have been java on xo.. they can put it on chips why not the xo?
    only has 1gb ram disk. allocate half of that to the system having a backup (sometimes two) of itself. now add all the other stuff
  • 2009.07.14 14:01: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel I would have thought there would have been java on xo.. they can put it on chips why not the xo?
    hmm - you're right. maybe it's me. far more visible are perl & python, though
  • 2009.07.14 14:03: @craigg75
    Using http://jukefly.com to stream my tunes and discover new music. Check out my music : http://bit.ly/2rGGN
    but they really stripped that thing down, even removing kernel modules that probably should have been left
  • 2009.07.14 14:04: @craigg75
    well.. jukefly threw a link on twitter for me showing my mp3 files
    triggered a bot ?
  • 2009.07.14 14:10: @craigg75
    bot triggered intentionally.. I turned it on to see what it would do..thought it would report what songs I was listening to
    well, it seems to be working ;-) that could get really annoying, at a song every few minutes all day long
  • 2009.07.14 14:13: @craigg75
    @!fractalnavel you see perl and python because those require some programming knowledge.. php you can do falling off a truck it's that easy
    perhaps not perl, but python can be done dead simple as well. hey, if one sticks to ifs & loops, even a caveman can do it.
  • 2009.07.14 14:14: @craigg75
    @!fractalnavel you see perl and python because those require some programming knowledge.. php you can do falling off a truck it's that easy
    i still need to look into php. but i was looking at some .net stuff recently - didn't realize how long it's been - rust appearing
  • 2009.07.14 14:15: @jdhunt
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    @jdhunt
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    @jdhunt
    Even though I'm working in a mostly Oracle shop, I'm glad that my project uses SQL Server.
    .net over oracle ? yuk. never a comfortable match.
    Yeah, it is funny - we are very much a .net shop and one of the owners hates Oracle. Yet, here we are.
    will say though - oracle offers a lot more than sql server in a number of ways - still not sure it's worth it
    Could be, but SQL Server works quite well as an applications database. Sometimes, Oracle is simply overkill
    yup. right tool for the job.
  • 2009.07.14 14:18: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel cue the car insurance commercial
    i was waiting for a pissed off little caveman to walk across the screen.
  • 2009.07.14 18:05: @craigg75
    silverlight 3 feature set is impressive... a platform to start taking seriously
    or is it a solution in search of a problem ?
  • 2009.07.14 19:09: silly language games: yeah, i get that you pronounce element names differently in your country, but it's google chrome, not "chromium"
  • 2009.07.14 19:10: [white castle supply depleted]
  • 2009.07.14 19:11: distinctly non-corporate folks: ff traffic outnumbers ie by 2:1 for the last month on my tiny niche-purpose site. dominant what ?
  • 2009.07.14 19:13: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel it's mEthane not mEEthane
    generic substance ? no - then it's to each his own. unless you're referring to common mispronunciations within a locale
  • 2009.07.14 19:14: rotfl - RT @swadeshine That's pleasant: Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies http://tinyurl.com/n97mtf
  • 2009.07.14 19:16: pronunciation: but y'know, languge is in some senses being slowly globalized. bladerunner, here we come !
  • 2009.07.14 19:19: "cannon fodder" indeed. not sure how well a battlebot is going to distinguish between dead / alive, though. or friend / foe, for that matter
  • 2009.07.14 19:21: carnivorous battlebots. wow. i think in most languages that's pronounced "we're fucked".
  • 2009.07.14 19:57: man, that fox "news" site reads more like a tabloid
  • 2009.07.14 20:08: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel I find it hard to find a reputable conservative news web site, any ideas?
    "jumbo shrimp" "military intelligence" - "reputable conservative": you may just have uncovered another oxymoron ;-)
  • 2009.07.14 20:11: @craigg75
    I can remember reading good solid conservative mags in college but forgot the names now
    thing is, what was "conservative" then is completely different from how that label is applied now
  • 2009.07.14 20:13: @craigg75
    I can remember reading good solid conservative mags in college but forgot the names now
    i think all "reputable" types fled that fold; you may find them in "moderate" & "progressive" camps now - which aren't, really.
  • 2009.07.14 20:14: @craigg75
    I can remember reading good solid conservative mags in college but forgot the names now
    i mean seriously - palin ?! for vp of the u.s.a ?!
  • 2009.07.14 20:15: stupid twitter phenom: accounts spamming posts that echo (&reinforce) all "trending topics" - making that a nearly useless feature now.
  • 2009.07.14 20:16: twitter: goddam hall of mirrors, is what it is
  • 2009.07.14 20:17: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel that is true... it's morphed over the last 25 years into something distasteful
    "distasteful" is far too mild. flip things around: what would conservatives then call those using the label now ?
  • 2009.07.14 20:19: it used to be that conservatives, liberals, etc. - all "legitimate" political outlooks - were all looking for a way forward ...
  • 2009.07.14 20:19: ... alternatives, not necessarily opposed (outisde of the electoral realm)
  • 2009.07.14 20:21: @jdhunt
    @fractalnavel
    stupid twitter phenom: accounts spamming posts that echo (&reinforce) all "trending topics" - making that a nearly useless feature now.
    So will Letterman have a new segment called Stupid Twitter Tricks?
    if he did, i'd stop watching - if i still had tv, that is
  • 2009.07.14 20:27: how long until carnivorous bots became cannibalistic ones ?
  • 2009.07.14 20:31: hmmm - i wonder - could a decent mud be run from gae ?
  • 2009.07.14 20:42: @craigg75
    Gazelle is MS answer to Chrome.. pahleeze.. playing sloppy seconds again..
    gaz-who ? "gesundheit"
  • 2009.07.14 20:42: hmm - maybe not a mud on gae, but something more kol like...
  • 2009.07.14 20:44: @craigg75
    Gazelle is MS answer to Chrome.. pahleeze.. playing sloppy seconds again..
    hey, whatever happened to "msn explorer" ? ohh, that's right ... ;-)
  • 2009.07.14 20:49: @craigg75
    Gazelle is MS answer to Chrome.. pahleeze.. playing sloppy seconds again..
    "sloppy seconds" is a very viable strategy - just ask google ;-)
  • 2009.07.14 20:59: what i want in a browser: a "back" button that takes you back to where you branched off, so that you can go back & retrace existing branches
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