Monday, June 29, 2009 - Posts

Monday, June 29, 2009

a day in a life 2009.06.29

via @fractalnavel: in the last 24 hours:
  • 2009.06.29 12:29: @klaatu
    Take some Psi tests at Boundary Institute & see if you have some ESP http://is.gd/1hHyo
    i was just thinking that ! but i could see it was going nowhere.
  • 2009.06.29 12:37: telligent has pulled down the old communityserver downloads page. late last week they were still up. now it's "call support". wtf ?
  • 2009.06.29 13:11: looking at the results of yesterday's work: they're about as good as they can get.
  • 2009.06.29 13:13: something seriously funky over at google app engine; a simple ping can vary in cpu used from 5ms (a lot, when you think of it) to 1000ms !
  • 2009.06.29 13:14: ok, the whole point of the piing is to try & keep the app in memory - because of that load time overhead.
  • 2009.06.29 13:15: i need to work out the numbers here. but it seems to me that gae's aggressive uncaching of apps is costly - to users - bloats cpu numbers
  • 2009.06.29 13:16: and the kicker is that they start warning you is your cpu use for a request goes over 1000ms.
  • 2009.06.29 13:19: sample: one database single row "get" and "put" (in a transaction) plus one single item memcache "set" plus incrementing a field = 70ms
  • 2009.06.29 13:19: 15 of those in a request and i'm getting a warning - before even considering any other processing.
  • 2009.06.29 13:31: communityserver : their biggest competitor is their prior version. they're doing what they can to kill it. it's kind of amusing to watch.
  • 2009.06.29 13:36: my app/service: one constant "user" (a process), about 100-200 hits a day at this point.
  • 2009.06.29 13:40: RT @snugbug @fractalnavel www.arcamax.com/garfield - for you, bro ::: now why didn't i think of that ?
  • 2009.06.29 13:43: @klaatu
    The Greatest Science Fiction Of The 20th Century http://is.gd/1hJni
    eeww, keewwll - thx
  • 2009.06.29 13:47: @jdhunt
    @fractalnavel
    communityserver : their biggest competitor is their prior version. they're doing what they can to kill it. it's kind of amusing to watch.
    You can probably count on migrations away from the product, at least anywhere that isn't a big corp.
    certainly, and that's probably the explicit intent. funny that they seem to want to deny it at the same time. all marketing buzz.
  • 2009.06.29 13:50: cs : it was an excellent value. perhaps "too good to be true". still a decent product, but the value proposition has been decimated.
  • 2009.06.29 13:51: @craigg75
    the wife told me Billy Mays died... thought she said Willie Mays.. had a whole conversation about Willie Mays.. finally she stopped me...
    "the wife" see, when did that happen ? thx for the news, bro ! :-p
  • 2009.06.29 13:54: @jdhunt
    @fractalnavel
    @jdhunt
    @fractalnavel
    communityserver : their biggest competitor is their prior version. they're doing what they can to kill it. it's kind of amusing to watch.
    You can probably count on migrations away from the product, at least anywhere that isn't a big corp.
    certainly, and that's probably the explicit intent. funny that they seem to want to deny it at the same time. all marketing buzz.
    Well, marketers have taken over the product from the control of developers. And this is what you get when that happens.
    ...and what they always promise will never happen.there were promises made way back when...
  • 2009.06.29 13:59: hmm - interesting monetization scheme: http://hotfile.com/premium.html . sucky, to introduce barriers, then make you pay to overcome them
  • 2009.06.29 14:01: "You reached your hourly traffic limit. You can wait download for 11 minutes or upgrade to premium"
  • 2009.06.29 14:01: probably based on s3/ec2 or something
  • 2009.06.29 14:19: @craigg75
    it was without a doubt the most mind numbing, trite, over the top pointless piece of sh*t movie I think I've ever seen
    it was a success, then. that was their target.
  • 2009.06.29 14:20: @craigg75
    and the morons in the theater clapped at the end of the film! I felt like asking aloud, do any of you actually know why you are clapping?
    nxt thing y'know you'll be sitting on the porch with your pants pulled up to your nipples yelling at the kids to get off the grass
  • 2009.06.29 14:21: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel I call her "the wife".. not really though
    k, i get it
  • 2009.06.29 17:47: broken record inc.: why do i need to keep pointing people to this: http://bit.ly/ctadJ
  • 2009.06.29 17:48: "hi, i just got to this forum weeks after this change was announced because i forgot what an inbox looked like, please tell me what i missed
  • 2009.06.29 17:50: "i mean, the email said X, did they really mean it ?" NO, you f$%*(ing moron, they're bored and couldn't think of anything better to do!
  • 2009.06.29 17:51: forums should have a group ridicule mode
  • 2009.06.29 17:52: @craigg75
    firefox 3.5 available tommorow http://bit.ly/7N7WM
    y'know, i could give a flying rat's ass at this point. oh great, one more f'ing intrprtation of "standards". shove off, you hosers
  • 2009.06.29 17:53: uncensored opinions on sale today, here at attitudes r us
  • 2009.06.29 17:58: @jdhunt
    @fractalnavel
    @craigg75
    firefox 3.5 available tommorow http://bit.ly/7N7WM
    y'know, i could give a flying rat's ass at this point. oh great, one more f'ing intrprtation of "standards". shove off, you hosers
    you do mean "Take off, you hosers. Take off, to the great white north"
    hey, us norherners invented the phrase, we can fracture it however we want. adding a bit of briticism seemd just the right touch
  • 2009.06.29 17:59: @jdhunt
    @fractalnavel
    @craigg75
    firefox 3.5 available tommorow http://bit.ly/7N7WM
    y'know, i could give a flying rat's ass at this point. oh great, one more f'ing intrprtation of "standards". shove off, you hosers
    you do mean "Take off, you hosers. Take off, to the great white north"
    i was really thinking "piss off", but fuck, i didn't want to use awful language
  • 2009.06.29 18:01: @craigg75
    the fox is here to stay
    fuck it. i'm going back to mosaic. if i can find a copy. shit, i saw a hit from netscape on my analytics. one lone hit. wtf?!
  • 2009.06.29 18:01: i think there's one little ol' netscape machine out there wanting to be talked to.
  • 2009.06.29 18:03: i'm so old... "how oldare you?" ...i'm so old, i type double spaces after every period. f'n' 140 char limit, gotta go back & delete 'em
  • 2009.06.29 18:04: yeah, how's that for tricks - i'm doin' stand up sittin' on my ass
  • 2009.06.29 18:05: @craigg75
    redirect all netscape users to youarealoser.com
    all that code for one browser? awww, let him play. poor li'l thing. probably can't render most modern pages anyway
  • 2009.06.29 18:07: freakin' ping cron is up to 800 ms cpu time now. hey, google - optimize this !!
  • 2009.06.29 18:09: i have a better solution, once the "task queues" feature comes out of experimental mode.
  • 2009.06.29 18:22: @jdhunt
    @fractalnavel
    i'm so old... "how oldare you?" ...i'm so old, i type double spaces after every period. f'n' 140 char limit, gotta go back & delete 'em
    Get off my lawn!
    oldster training: now grumble to yourself: " ... young whippersnappers..."
  • 2009.06.29 18:25: google app engine: it may be scalable & all (for a price), but i swear i can do far more with the same resources on my own antique box
  • 2009.06.29 19:20: @craigg75
    are there any real users of GAE? or is it still "beta" and just for tinkerers at the moment? I never hear about GAE much anymore
    there's some major production apps on it. friendfeed is one, i think. google's stuff stays in "beta" forever. it's a cya tag.
  • 2009.06.29 19:21: @craigg75
    are there any real users of GAE? or is it still "beta" and just for tinkerers at the moment? I never hear about GAE much anymore
    i doubt you'd hear. after the launch, like most tech, you have to be part of a community connected in some way to see things
  • 2009.06.29 19:22: @craigg75
    are there any real users of GAE? or is it still "beta" and just for tinkerers at the moment? I never hear about GAE much anymore
    this tech is really foreign to the stuff you usually deal with
  • 2009.06.29 20:11: just seen headline: "World leaders call for Honduras to reinstate ousted president"- self-government is over, eh ? if the world says, do it!
  • 2009.06.29 20:25: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel it was a military coup... not so much self-government as suspension of self-government
    if i want a military coup, then i'll have a military coup. not sure; don't people have a right to their own revolutions ?
  • 2009.06.29 20:25: @craigg75
    @fractalnavel it was a military coup... not so much self-government as suspension of self-government
    who's to say what's "right" and what's not ? who's to say "democracy" (which doesn't exist anyway) is king ?
  • 2009.06.29 20:26: @craigg75
    Virtuality crashes and burns on FOX... I couldn't watch more than 30 minutes...http://bit.ly/1DnBy
    your intolerance for popular geek media is showing. why bother ? apparently a lot of people liked it.
  • 2009.06.29 20:26: @craigg75
    http://bit.ly/W6Vm0 Talk about keeping GM on life support.. Toyota offers up a kidney.. time to pull the plug and move on
    man, if you had been running wwii, we'd all be in funny little mustaches by now
  • 2009.06.29 21:21: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    15 of those in a request and i'm getting a warning - before even considering any other processing.
    What is your GAE app writ in? Sounds like its re-compiling on the fly for every request or DB needs indexes.
    GAE uses python (and recently introduced java). db has the indices it needs - GAE won't run without them. ...
  • 2009.06.29 21:23: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    15 of those in a request and i'm getting a warning - before even considering any other processing.
    What is your GAE app writ in? Sounds like its re-compiling on the fly for every request or DB needs indexes.
    ... GAE caches all imported modules, as compiled as they can get, and then also caches handlers if coded a certain way (mine are)...
  • 2009.06.29 21:24: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    15 of those in a request and i'm getting a warning - before even considering any other processing.
    What is your GAE app writ in? Sounds like its re-compiling on the fly for every request or DB needs indexes.
    ... they note that db puts take about 5x(?) the resources of gets. i'm writing to an unindexed field, btw. all very simple.
  • 2009.06.29 21:25: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    15 of those in a request and i'm getting a warning - before even considering any other processing.
    What is your GAE app writ in? Sounds like its re-compiling on the fly for every request or DB needs indexes.
    given the relative disuse of the app, i know it gets booted from their cache. that's the problem the ping cron attempts to solve
  • 2009.06.29 21:26: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    15 of those in a request and i'm getting a warning - before even considering any other processing.
    What is your GAE app writ in? Sounds like its re-compiling on the fly for every request or DB needs indexes.
    ... but it still doesn't address the underlying inefficiencies of their datastore api. even their memcache has noticeable overhead
  • 2009.06.29 21:27: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    15 of those in a request and i'm getting a warning - before even considering any other processing.
    What is your GAE app writ in? Sounds like its re-compiling on the fly for every request or DB needs indexes.
    of course, those are just the numbers it reports to me, as usage. y'know, boost me towards the "need to pay" zone.
  • 2009.06.29 21:31: annoyance: y'know how your browser stores recent url's you've typed ? it strips trailing /'s. well, at telligent.com, it needs those
  • 2009.06.29 21:35: @craigg75
    sometimes a military coup/fascist revolution/leftist socialism are just steps along the way to more perfect union.. observe and learn..
    well, we can't have any of that here, now can we? what will the people think? gotta stamp out this nonsense before it spreads
  • 2009.06.29 21:35: "... oh iiii'm a revolutionary, and i'm o - k ..."
  • 2009.06.29 21:36: "... i burn all night and i drink all day ..."
  • 2009.06.29 21:36: "... i wear high heels, frilly dresses and a braaaaa..."
  • 2009.06.29 21:36: "... i wanna be just like lenin..."
  • 2009.06.29 21:37: great, @klaatu's quoting shakespeare, while i'm mangling monty python.
  • 2009.06.29 21:38: "... that parrot's dead, i tell you ..."
  • 2009.06.29 21:39: oh wait - python the programming language - never mind.
  • 2009.06.29 21:43: -communityserver- telligentcommunity news: bug breaks non-english language use, have to wait for SP release - or - "call us" - yeah, ok
  • 2009.06.29 21:44: really, let's call it for what it is - the new product is not CS v5.0, it's TC v1.0 - much changed in market, tech, attitude, look & act
  • 2009.06.29 21:45: @klaatu
    RT @LittleMonsta Map of connectedness: http://tinyurl.com/dl2hhn the world is getting smaller and smaller but the new borders are firewalls
    i wanna be on the outside
  • 2009.06.29 21:46: yeah, i'm off the coding jag. got the lawn cut, first time in weeks. laundry ? what's that ? so now i'm here to harass you
  • 2009.06.29 21:48: tell ya what, though: i bet the forums are even less pleased
  • 2009.06.29 21:51: GAE: nothing in their quota api besids "check the current request's cpu use". what i need is some way of pulling info so i can alert users
  • 2009.06.29 21:52: cvrap - there's a shakespeare bot. (what's the head slap / face palm icon ?)
  • 2009.06.29 22:29: @afscrome
    @fractalnavel
    telligent has pulled down the old communityserver downloads page. late last week they were still up. now it's "call support". wtf ?
    What downloads do you want. DM me or send me a conversation on the community and I'll hook you up with them.
    thanks for the offer, but i was merely commenting on events.
  • 2009.06.29 22:56: @klaatu
    @fractalnavel
    @craigg75
    the fox is here to stay
    fuck it. i'm going back to mosaic. if i can find a copy. shit, i saw a hit from netscape on my analytics. one lone hit. wtf?!
    Old browser archive http://browsers.evolt.org/ Mosaic, Nyetscraper, be my guest.
    and i was going to dig it up off of a floppy disk i have hanging around here...
  • 2009.06.29 23:01: yup, that's it then: i am going to start browsing using the copy of mosaic i have on a floppy disk - somewhere - it's a mac version from '94
  • 2009.06.29 23:02: this will be a bit like "the god's must be crazy" & the coke bottle
  • 2009.06.29 23:02: poor little borwser won't know what to make of the monster we have created. "oooh, noooo - put me back in my booox !"
  • 2009.06.29 23:03: yes, in the early 90s, they were known as "borwsers", before we knew better
  • 2009.06.29 23:07: scary part is that i could locate said floppy disk in a couple of minutes. yeah, sometimes there are benefits to not cleaning - ever
  • 2009.06.29 23:08: hmm - two disks - one is labeled "mosaic netscape 0.9" - wtf?
  • 2009.06.29 23:11: now, floppy drive... how to read mac...surely that's easy now ... nope, ol' winnie thinks they're not formatted.
  • 2009.06.29 23:11: eh, i'd have to find an old mac emulator to go with them anyway
  • 2009.06.29 23:13: ...but i've got an earlier version of teh mac mosaic than what evolt.com has http://browsers.evolt.org/?mosaic-ncsa/mac
  • 2009.06.29 23:29: oh gak - i've been down this path before - need mac emulator - which needs mac rom image ... forget it. sorry, floppies - back into the box!
  • 2009.06.29 23:43: "The new horizontal rule tag <HR> has been implemented."
  • 2009.06.29 23:43: yay!
  • 2009.06.29 23:51: ok, mosaic for win 1.0 running - wonder what it looks like to fiddler
  • 2009.06.29 23:53: looks like - nothin' - mosaic uses winsock in a wow, fiddler assumes wininet
  • 2009.06.29 23:58: geez - that thing's not happy with the web of today at all... gpf's ? ahh, memories. no forms support either. need a later version
  • 2009.06.30 00:28: seen on GAE forum: "if you run out of apps, ask nicely and we'll hand out more. ;)" (a google guy) - note: current limit is 10 apps / user
  • 2009.06.30 01:49: GAE ping cron - keeping app instances alive ? OR - is it forcing spin-up of new ones ? which could aggravate things. ...
  • 2009.06.30 01:50: ... maybe i should try backing off the frequency a bit, see what happens
  • 2009.06.30 03:06: RT @klaatu OLPC operating system free on a stick http://tinyurl.com/n7jpmm ::: that, i can use
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