continuing troubles over at telligent and community server since they received vc cash last year.
well, only sorta new - but the effects of intel's $20M infusion of capital to telligent late last summer have been slowly becoming evident over recent months.
never mind the immediate spate of top-heavy hiring done last fall, and the subsequent layoffs (no, a connection? ya think?), and the explosion of market-speak bloggers there. it's what's been happening on communityserver.com and the forums there that's been interesting:
- the price lists went missing. instead, it's "call us for a price". that always smells fishy to me. unfair prices adjustments ? forced relationships with the sales department ? look, folks, people just want to have something they can plan & compare with.
- there are a number of features being removed from the 2009 version, and others being locked into the top-tiered pricing. as in, how can i, as a developer or IT manager, evaluate locked down features ?
- speaking of the 2009 version, the last few years' major version releases have occurred in mid april. this time around, it's vaguely in the 3rd quarter. maybe. no one really says any more when asked.
- and the future product/feature roadmap has gone missing as well.
- the last SP release was missing the SDK for a few weeks. as in, there seems to be a threat to the shared source promise that was made when they founded their company on open source software.
- the number of bugs seems to be up & multiplying - and often not being recognized, or fixed. and there is too frequent regression.
- sometimes downloadable versions are replaced with new builds, but without any notice.
- and finally, just the nature of the forums themselves have changed - although that's not entirely under telligent's direct control - huge amount of traffic, lots of people not looking at prior posts, asking things over & over, other "duh" type questions. yeah, that's their new customer base, and they're going to have to adjust to it - clearly, the current product is not a good match. ouch.
just a few observations there, various colored flags. you can dig up the relevant forum posts yourself if you want. jon wrote a bit about the graffiti troubles last week.
this is all very sad, but not unexpected. i was hoping for a few more good years out of them before this sort of shit started. now, it's going to be significantly harder to convince customers of the value of using their products. used to be a no-brainer. and honestly, at this point, i'm not even sure what i'd be convincing them of - no one knows, and telligent's not telling.
i was about to add that at least the third-party developer community is alive & well, but that's not really the case. most add-ons developed for CS2.1 and 2007 have not been explicitly updated for CS2008 or 2008.5. the motivation seems to have dropped off. luckily, many of these still work as is, or with minor mods, but still, this is another flag. and new add-ons ? i really haven't seen any. just the occasional patch for broken out-of-box features, but that's hardly the same thing.
it may turn out that CS2008.5 was the high water mark for this product.
shit.
of course, this may all be coincidental, and perhaps intel's involvement stemmed an even worse sequence of events. maybe things are on the upswing. only time will tell.
update 2009.05.04:
late update, yeah, one important additional item kept slipping my mind: there have been significant changes to the licensing terms, to which any new downloaders must agree prior to downloading (as in updates, sdk's, etc.). Now, there have been verbal assurances on the forums that the issues will be taken care of, but hey, that's not in the contract, what do they think we are ?
what's changed ? for one thing, a new requirement for annually renewing one's license purchase (full price ?!), with the added requirement that if you don't, you must stop using the software. WTF ?! that's brand new. the original license only needed to be purchased once, with a much cheaper optional annual software assurance / maintenace / support / whatever purchase that granted rights to free upgrades. and in any case, once purchased, you cold run the software indefinitely.
there are supposed to be grandfathering provisions for old license terms, but they have yet to include those provisions in the new license.
load of crap. when exactly was this thing taken commercial again ? less than five years ago ? promises promises. the little guy is about to be given the boot.
Wednesday, April 29, 2009
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2009.04.29 17:50:
people often write "rants", then apologize; on the contrary, i often find these very illuminating: http://u.nu/2y93
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2009.04.29 17:51:
@craigg75... but it's still ok to sell bottled / canned soft drinks, eh ?
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2009.04.29 17:53:
@craigg75
why would anyone want to clone a human being? sexual reproduction is way better at creating viable offspring
all facetious comments & scifi aside, that's a good point. genetic conceit, perhaps ?
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2009.04.29 17:55:
oh fer-windows wants to apply an update, it's an obscure dbcs bug fix for live messenger-so of course, it needs to reboot. "hi, i'm a pc..."
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2009.04.29 20:34:
@jdhunt
ugh... it can be frustrating to answer more complicated JavaScript questions when the questioner has no foundation in it.
i didn't think there was anything in js that complicated => issue is with questioner and/or answerer
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2009.04.29 20:36:
[why is there a 'w' in "answer" ?]
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2009.04.29 20:40:
@jdhunt
@
fractalnavel
@
jdhuntugh... it can be frustrating to answer more complicated JavaScript questions when the questioner has no foundation in it.
i didn't think there was anything in js that complicated => issue is with questioner and/or answerer
It may be complicated if you don't "grasp" the concept of client-side script vs. compiled server-side code
oh, lord - then the answer isn't technical, it's organizational, as in "next contestant, please"
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2009.04.29 20:41:
@jdhunt i see that they're paying you for remedial mentoring now
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2009.04.29 20:43:
@craigg75
w's usually come from u's in old english -- ansuer. perhaps it was pronounced an-sure in Chaucer's day?
hmm, i have an old copy here, let me check... - cvrap, which pile was that again...
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2009.04.29 20:45:
i have "fond" memories of getting somewhat drunk and reading chaucer loudly with attempts at correct pronunciation
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2009.04.29 20:46:
i was like, "hey! i can talk british!"
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2009.04.29 20:46:
stupid alcohol
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2009.04.29 20:46:
yeah, i know - user error
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2009.04.29 20:48:
@jdhunt
Tweetdeck's Replies column seems a bit behind the All Friends column.
two different apis
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2009.04.29 20:49:
ok, here we go, answere / answeren - nope, no u's
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2009.04.29 20:49:
depends on the translation (?), i guess
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2009.04.29 20:52:
probably have to go farther back - to google, then
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2009.04.29 20:54:
well, with tv absence shortly, maybe i'll dig into chaucer again. it's a beer thing.
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2009.04.29 21:01:
@jdhunt
@
fractalnavelwell, with tv absence shortly, maybe i'll dig into chaucer again. it's a beer thing.
wouldn't they call it "ale" back in Chaucer's day?
sounds right; lager ? no modern -> late-middle engish dictionary here - eh, google , i know
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2009.04.29 21:04:
@klaatu
@
craigg75I read that MS is going to add IE8 as a critical update... ha! Damn you consumers we will take market share by force! mahahahaha!
i got that IE 8 update, unchecked it and moved on. I never loaded Windows Media Player 10 either.
having an old ie version hanging around may be a security hole - was ie ever entierly removable ?
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2009.04.29 21:05:
@craigg75
I heard somebody recite the first 500 words to Cantebury Tales on a podcast the other day... sounded very German
german ?! man, i -was_ drunk ...
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2009.04.29 21:06:
could be different pronunciation schemes, competing schools of thought - angles v. saxons ?
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2009.04.29 21:11:
removing ie: ttp://kb.mozillazine.org/MozillaSuite_:_FAQs_:_RemoveIE - as in - don't
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2009.04.29 21:11:
@craigg75
Actually I'd rather have IE8 running myself since I think it allows you run in an IE7 compatible mode
yep, pretty cool to play with, actually
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2009.04.29 21:13:
kinda makes me wonder: without ie, what is windows ?
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2009.04.29 21:13:
@jdhunt
@
fractalnavel
@
jdhunt
@
fractalnavelwell, with tv absence shortly, maybe i'll dig into chaucer again. it's a beer thing.
wouldn't they call it "ale" back in Chaucer's day?
sounds right; lager ? no modern -> late-middle engish dictionary here - eh, google , i know
lager, ale, porter... doesn't matter. I'll take one!
stout !
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2009.04.29 21:16:
oh - and mead, of course
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2009.04.29 21:17:
@craigg75
thats basically behind the netbooks, just a simple laptop to use the web 2.0 goodies.. you're kind of a netbook user with your XO
my brother showed me something over the weekend, machine 'boots' from rom, enough to be net appliance - no windows
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2009.04.29 21:20:
@craigg75remniscent of those old attempts to host a desktop with dhtml - maybe worth a try again with ne wtech
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2009.04.29 21:22:
xo as netbook? : no, browser / hardware falls short; perhaps using lots of non-gui stuff
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2009.04.29 21:23:
@craigg75
the browser to watch is really google chrome since it was designed for flash and javascripted sites
just chrome, or anything based on webkit ?
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2009.04.29 21:28:
"the pub in literature" http://tinyurl.com/cqklzq
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2009.04.29 21:29:
ale v. beer in chaucer: http://tinyurl.com/ch3hzo
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2009.04.29 21:31:
"... Breakfast, of a chine of beef and a loaf of bread,
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2009.04.29 21:31:
would have been accompanied by gallon of ale."http://is.gd/vs0X
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2009.04.29 21:31:
cvrap - embedded linefeed in cut/paste
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2009.04.29 21:38:
beer as gatorade substitute - good old medieval beer, that is
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2009.04.29 21:39:
so why fermentation ? unavoidable ? preservative ? flavor ? how much of the goal was alcohol ?
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2009.04.29 21:41:
beer is just gruel gone good
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2009.04.29 21:57:
@jdhunt
So the swine flu isn't aerial bacon? Too bad, I could use some bacon.
pigs on the wing, eh ?
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2009.04.29 22:01:
@jdhunt
@
fractalnavelso why fermentation ? unavoidable ? preservative ? flavor ? how much of the goal was alcohol ?
Are we diving into a history and theory of beer discussion?
diving into beer ... mmm...
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2009.04.29 22:04:
ok, one last bad beer pun: "gruels gone wild"
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2009.04.29 22:04:
@jdhunt
@
fractalnavel
@
jdhuntSo the swine flu isn't aerial bacon? Too bad, I could use some bacon.
pigs on the wing, eh ?
did PInk Floyd like bacon?
... or it's the cincinnati marathon
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2009.04.29 22:06:
@klaatu
Trek: Oh, Chris "New Kirk" Pine's dad is Robert Pine, the sergeant on CHiPs Bob & Shat do a priceline ad
http://bit.ly/4m5pT one question: wht would gene roddenberry do ?
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2009.04.29 22:32:
@jdhunt
All this beer and bacon talk is making me hungry and thirsty.
http://www.google.com/search?q="bacon+beer"
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2009.04.29 22:33:
also, @baconandbeer; see the google image search ... mmm, baconbeer
Wednesday, April 22, 2009
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2009.04.22 19:01:
glasses broke again. i like these frames; but the lifespan of the bridge appears to be just under two years.
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2009.04.22 19:02:
heat shrink tubing to the rescue -argh- but no, this break is too close to one end- gotta wear the old pair- heat shrink repaired, of course
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2009.04.22 19:39:
@craigg75
@
fractalnavelglasses broke again. i like these frames; but the lifespan of the bridge appears to be just under two years.
electrical tape!! electrical tape! nerds rule!
heat shrink tubing works far better while still retaining that geek aura
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2009.04.22 20:23:
trolls: http://is.gd/tWNF
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2009.04.22 20:55:
from the good news dept: UN puts global treasures online http://tinyurl.com/chg46c
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2009.04.22 21:24:
nifty interface: http://www.wdl.org
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2009.04.22 23:57:
%&($)*( bird-shit: picked the wrong day to change avatar, new images won't upload; also - what's this cvrap about my email not working ?
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2009.04.23 01:03:
you'd thimk they'd put a link to this issue on the affected settings page: http://tinyurl.com/cdpmbg
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2009.04.23 01:13:
"tweetjacking": huh - http://help.twitter.com/forums/26257/entries/16205
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2009.04.23 01:14:
then they should have an official RT feature set
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2009.04.23 01:15:
there are also rules regarding accounts primarily psting links
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2009.04.23 01:22:
trying to determine my tolerance for shitty service + distasteful policies, vs. chat / im vacuum this thing has created
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2009.04.23 01:23:
i can create my own personal microblogging tool if i want
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2009.04.23 01:24:
and friends / followers, to me, is merely a side-effect of the ad-hoc public chat function
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2009.04.23 01:28:
some pondering to do...
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2009.04.23 01:31:
meanwhile...
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2009.04.23 01:33:
these older prescription glases are ok for everything except the small type size frequently on the xo
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2009.04.23 01:33:
guess i'll just have to look at pics until i get new ones ;-)
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2009.04.23 03:46:
minor peeve: website that only show three comments per 'page' - especially when they tend to accumulate hundreds